The Tree of Knowledge, on the other hand, drives you out from the eternal life with God. Damage from the recent storm in Bronxville, photo by Sandy Hesselbacher. The tree of life resonates and contrasts with ancient imagery by showing life as a gift that God wants to give humanity. “My dear little seeds, now is your chance to grow and experience the world,” she told them. “That pesky wind will blow away all my blossoms!” He gripped the tiny flowers. The first command doesnât place the tree of life off limits. All decked out for the holidays. The first tree is expecting the Gardner to come and take care of its needs, while the second tree takes personal responsibility to provide for himself. That's the whole point of being wise. Or my intuition is this one but my intuition is going to be clouded by all my biases and selfishness. 1hr 5m. In the day God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened." There's trees that are good to look at, there's trees for food, and then in the middle of the garden... Tim: ...with one river flowing out and then flowing down to become the four rivers that water all the corners of the earth so to speak. Jon: A test is like, I need you to prove your character. This is very important. And those tangled roots actually made both of them stronger. So what's all the trees? Jon: The burning bush. With her finger, she traced a large heart somebody had carved into his trunk. Tim: That's right. But what the knowing of good and bad did, especially because they took it in a way that God told them not to take it, the first negative consequence is they realize their otherness from each other. We can eat from the fruit the trees of the garden but there's one tree in the middle where God said, 'Don't eat from it or touch it or you will die die. Jon: They got to rule with Him. âThe Six Pillars of Self-Esteemâ by Nathaniel Branden explains the development and effects of self-esteem. And God plays a role in that He exiles them from the garden so that they can't eat from the tree of life which means that they'll die. 705 6th Ave, Shenandoah, IA 51601, USA. Suddenly, a blinding bolt of lighting streaked across the sky. Tim: Yeah. Trees frequently appear in the Bible, and they often serve as a metaphor for people (see Psalm 1-2). Jon: So trees were a big deal. They're different. Tim: That's the tree of life imagery. 2) Key Verse(s): Revelation 22: 2 There is a tree of life in the city (Rev. You're born into a scene where you're already set up to fail. And what's the difference between a 2- year-old a 12-year-old? • Read Books On Your Phone? I'm going to know what is good and what is bad, what kind of things will build up and what kind of things will destroy. That's one layer of this. She took one from the pouch. The second tree saw peace and happiness in the Gardner’s eyes. So I think it's introducing this creature having two possibilities before it. Lots of life around trees. The tree of good and bad is a warning about forfeiting what God has already given. I think there's a powerful truth to that. A lifestyle of disobedience to God’s eternal Word is a life of darkness and shame. And then all of a sudden, I'm eating from the wrong tree and it seems like the right thing to do. Correct. There's overlap in that the point of testing in biblical Hebrew is to expose the truth about what something really is. ” something” told me to Google the story of the Two Trees…strange because I have never herd of this before…I really enjoyed the story and will pass it along to the person who purchases it..my website is Artbycdy.com. In part three (23:00-34:30), Tim and Jon look back over the first part of Genesis 3 and consider the choice and consequences presented by the tree of knowing good and bad. So to know is to experience life versus death. Jon: So okay, so you walk away from Genesis 3 thinking, "Okay, this makes sense of the human condition.". Jon: It's not a reward for doing good. The second tree held tightly while they took turns swinging out over the valley. That tree was a very slow grower. Fruit trees will flower and produce fruit in specific seasons and there's at least one type of tree producing each season. Tea trees will produce leaves during Spring, Summer, and Fall season but not in Winter. They longed for the rain to come. Although her hair was nearly white, he recognized the same tenderhearted Gardner he knew from so long ago. Thanks for joining us. Tim: Yeah. It shares lots of similarities to what people mean and how they are and the role they play in the story. Together they come to their fullest meaning in Jesus Christ and the tree on which he was crucified. But then you also said, which is really interesting, we need some sort of new mode of being human. And that's true in this narrative. And remember this is going to be a motif then that these test moments that biblical characters come before are sometimes between a good choice and a evil choice. You're meditating. That was His command was, "Enjoy it all. Humanity now has a choice: receive wisdom from God or take it for themselves. Tim: We have in other videos and conversations talked about the scene. The Tale of the Two Trees was supposedly preserved in Gondor through the Thain’s Book, the copy of the Red Book of Westmarch that was given to Aragorn, and other sources. That kind of thing. Share. To eat from one, you have to walk by the other. Tim: I don't know what actually happened. Text: Genesis 2: 9; Revelation 22: 1-4 (esp. One spring they each grew several pink blossoms on their small branches. Jon: You have chosen to gain wisdom on your own terms. We did a whole series on that. Which means that eternal life for a creature that has coveted wisdom by my own taking... Tim: ...that wouldn't be a curse. Tim: Yeah, correct. “Grow strong my first little seed,” she said. It's also about me and my failures and how my failures participate in the whole human species failure as far back as we can tell. Share. It means responsibly making moral decisions and being responsible for them, which is a good thing. And the struggle is kind of like, am I going to let myself get away with the bad thing? The prophet Jeremiah provides an excellent image of two trees -- one that has deep roots in living water and bears good fruit. Jon: At this point in the narrative you're kind of like, "Uh." Tim Mackie. “Why didn’t she visit last week, instead, when I had hundreds of apples on my branches?”. Tim: If I was like Abraham in that one moment when he did nothing but looked up in the sky and just trusted God, that was when he passed the test. Tim: They often do. Then you start ruling. First and foremost, wisdom and life are about listening to Godâs voice. So he inverts the gift. Actually, don't quote me on that. We've talked about this many times. These moments of testing in the Bible are often a choice between something that is good and something that seems good. The second one tumbled out of the pouch into the Gardner’s hand. As the morning light chased away the darkness, a young Gardner sat on a quiet hillside gazing down into a valley. As the morning light chased away the darkness, a young Gardner sat on a quiet hillside gazing down into a valley. In the morning, the valley was calm. No. Tim: It's an image of the human condition. They have the next generation within them. That is this ideal state of being human. Months before the Covid-19 Pandemic created havoc throughout America and caused the shutdown of the CBS News Broadcast Center in Midtown Manhattan, in an effort to add some color and life to the 4th floor newsroom, the management brought in about a half dozen fig trees and placed them at various spots throughout the room. 1hr 20m, – Tim: In theological lingo, it'd be total depravity but in a sociological way, and the way the biblical narrative works, each generation inherits not of their own asking, they inherit the mess that their parents created and it predisposes them to fail in same way and in more grievous way. That was a great conversation. A Tale of Two Trees Trees are marvelous things, and they also teach us a great deal. Tim: Yeah, yeah. Indian Rocks Baptist Church. 1hr 8m, – She made two shallow holes in the soil. And God says to Adam and Eve, "Eat of any of these trees." And then what happens is what humans take is the paltry alternative. We're working through a theme in the Bible, and the theme is trees. It looks good, it meets a need, and I want it. "That's weird that God would say don't eat from that because... Jon: Having the ability to no good from bad is an attractive proposition? I don't know what age works. That's weird to realize. Tim: The reason that the tree is there in the garden, it's a powerful image of the nature of all human experience. The two trees represent two … Saturday 6:00 PM, Sunday 9:00 AM, Sunday 10:45 AM. Actually no. Now Watching: The Tale of Two Trees; Series: Not Forsaken; Messages. By the evening it was a glow heading up the western side. The second tree swayed his branches in the breeze. And it's where His throne is. And I start to feel like I deserve some more time off. What these verses don't say is Yahweh God commanded the human saying, "You may eat from all the trees of the garden including the tree of life if you don't take from the tree of knowing good and bad." You shall eat eat. The first death in the Bible comes not from God but from a human who has taken the knowledge of good and bad in their own hands. I've never existed in a state of pure moral innocence except maybe in my infancy. Sunday 10:00 AM. So it's doing both. Jon: That what I experience. Two books about trees pretty much tell the story of why we’re in the mess we’re in. In part one (0:00-14:00), Tim and Jon recap the conversation so far. Tim: Yeah. Now, there's another tree. So we're going to talk about a second tree and then what happens as a result of that second tree - the tree of knowing good and bad. Shrewd. The first seed pushed his roots deep into the ground. “My Apples will be small and bitter if I don’t get water,” complained the first tree. “They might damage my blossoms. So it begins and ends with a double emphasis. God commands humans to enjoy the gift of eternal life. Jon: The first command is to eat eat. “Wow!” exclaimed the first little tree. In addition, we see how common parenting techniques affect the self-esteem of our children. He does been around the block. Jon: And where this really landed for me was making the connection between Eden and the temple which is a whole nother conversation, but there is a parallel direct parallel between river at Eden and the tree in the middle of the garden to the temple and the Holy of Holies in the middle of the temple. The trunk suddenly cracked, causing the tree to fall across the road, crushing a car and killing the parents of two young children who were sitting in the back seat. Both trees, fulfilled by the Gardner’s visit, lived many happy years on the grassy hillside. And then the serpent say, "You won't die die. So in that sense, the snake was telling the truth. By Mel Stone. Additional Resources Yeah, we try and blame God for putting a choice in front of the humans. The good times last in two pages. Here we go. My name is Christina D Yielding. This passage introduces the snake as shrewdâone who is able to use their knowledge for good or terrible ends. this painting will not be on it but if you would like to see it send me an e mail firstname.lastname@example.org, Sexual Dysfunctions of Zeronious (Short Story). It looks awesome, but I'm going to avoid it so that I can keep enjoying access to life. That's where we're at. So it's very important. Tim: Strategic. The second tree looked across the valley. On the surface, âThe Esteemed Treesâ tells the struggles of an ornery tree and a happy tree growing together on a hillside. Tim: That's right. To invite a response. Let's pause. It's beautiful. But this creature knows what's up. Well, in a way they do become like Elohim knowing good and evil. Jon: God plants the garden. He wants to make them know what is good and evil but on His clock not by their covetous desire. Will we trust God to give us life, or will we take life for ourselves. Something can be done about it. Avoid it. They both knew that blossoms grow into apples! Psalm 1 which is part of a package deal or Psalm 1 and 2, are composed as a literary whole introducing the book of Psalms. That's one layer of it. So in Psalm 1, you can be a tree planted by streams of water. Jon: But there will be a seed who will somehow deal with evil. And so a human meeting personally becoming one with the presence of God in the middle of the garden is depicted through this image of eating from the tree and it's as if the fruit conveys God's life to the human through that proximity and intimacy. The second tree watched a hungry little boy trying to pick an apple that was just out of his reach. The point is the serpent sees this is an opportunity. I don't want you to die die. “You are certainly loved and admired by all of us,” she told him. So these two trees are intertwined. Jon: So a test in Hebrew is the idea of a moment where your true quality is exposed. It does not say that. August 15, 2020. Within this protected space, this orchard planted in the delightful region, are two trees that are central (quite literally) to our story. He's shrewd. Jon: How are you going to get the wisdom. This was, in large part, because the Lord was enabling me to understand in all the Scriptures the redemptive-historical nature of trees from the Garden to the cross to the new creation. This is a way you and I talked this through actually a while ago but we were saving it for this conversation. God's pointing me towards life." That's a thing that will kill me and hurt myself and others. And it all hits the fan. And my favorite thing about The Bible Project is that it brings the academic language to the regular people, I guess. Tim: Correct. A Tale of Two trees At Mane Chance, we aim to care for our land as much as our animals - only then will we be able to give them the quality of home that they deserve. FOR // Holding on to Hope Sparks flew and giant fireball shot into the sky. So the high mountain, trees, and the river flowing out of it. Tim: That's not the storyline. I think that will be a pretty, sweet smelling necklace.”. 1 - The Two Men. Sign in to add your private notes…. Tim: If you just go through the Abraham stories in Genesis 12 to the end of his life in chapter 25, and get a green marker and a brown marker and highlight trees and mountains, they're everywhere. Tim shares that the two trees in the garden are pictured next to each other. So that's a way they're different from the other human in history and in the story. Tim: The tree of life was in the middle of the garden and the tree of knowing good and bad. The snake's head will be crashed. So what nobody does in the story is say "I did it and I'm sorry." And then we're such good friends, we start a small business together because our ideas work well and we love it. So you're doing what you're supposed to do? Because the first question Got ask is, "Where are you guys? 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